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07-18-05 Town Council Minutes SNOWMASS VILLAGE TOWN COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING MINUTES JULY 18, 2005 Mayor Mercatoris called to order the Regular Meeting of the Snowmass Village Town Council at 4:04 p.m. Item No. 1: ROLL CALL COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT: Mayor Douglas Mercatoris, Bill Boineau, John Wilkinson, Sally Sparhawk, and Arnold Mordkin COUNCIL MEMBERS ABSENT: All Council Members were present. STAFF PRESENT: Mike Segrest, Town Manager; Jim Wahlstrom, Senior Planner; John Dresser, Town Attorney; Chris Conrad, Planning Director; Susan Hamley, Marketing Director; and Rhonda B. Coxon, Town Clerk PUBLIC PRESENT: Jeff Tippett, Dafri Estes, John Quigley, Mary Harris, John Corcoran, Dave Spence, Colleen Doyle, Brett Huske, Jim O’Leary, Bob Purvis, Neil Camus, Don Schuster, Mel Blumenthal, Russ Caldwell, Bob Johnson, Eric Mead, Shawn Rios, David Bork, Howard Rudge, Loie Rudge, Joe Farrell, Keith Long, Kathy Long, Darrell Lafitte, Jeanne Woods, Guy Rutland, Linda Rutland, Jacqueline Clark, Thomas Yokum, Edgell Pyles, Newton Clark, Mel Blumenthal, Michael Waters, Robin Riggs, Brian Olson, Howard Foley, Randy Woods, Mark Stout, Bill Swaim, Edie Swaim, Chonnie Bliss Jacobson, Ann Vorhes, Lloyd Helper and other members of the public interested in Agenda items for this Meeting. DISCUSSION AGENDA Item No. 2: GROUP SALES DISCUSSION Town Manager Mike Segrest stated that over the past two years the Town and the Snowmass Village Resort Association (SVRA) have held discussions about 07-18-05Mins. Page 2 of 15 the long-term future of group sales, especially in light of the downscaling of SVRA and the future expansion of lodging outside the SVRA boundary. Segrest noted the purpose of this discussion is to put forth a specific proposal for moving forward with the concept of a town-wide tax to support this program and bring all lodging properties into the group sales program. The attached proposal in the packet includes an initial concept of such a program, an organizational plan and a financing plan. The concept is based on input from representatives of the lodging community and the Town’s Marketing and Special Events Board (MSEB) as well as other community leaders. Segrest stated that it is critical there is a smooth transition between SVRA and the new organization in order to continue the relationship with existing group business and retain as much of the experience base as possible. He recommended governance structure for the new organization is to incorporate group sales with the responsibilities of MSEB. This program could be a separate department or under the Marketing and Special Events Department. At this time Segrest is requesting direction from the Town Council on this proposal. If this proposal is accepted by the Town Council, the Town Manager will attempt to negotiate a transition agreement with SVRA, and bring back a proposed ballot question for consideration at the November election this fall as well as an ordinance to enact a new organization structure for the MSEB. NOTE: Mayor Mercatoris took Public Comment at this time. Bob Purvis the Vice Chairman of the Marketing and Special Events Board would like to invite a minimum of two Town Council Members or all Town Council Members to a work session to discuss details. There is a broad agreement among the Marketing Board Members regarding the group sales effort for the village as a whole, and the acceptance of the sales tax but not placing the additional responsibility under or in the existing Marketing and Special Events Department. John Corcoran representing the Stonebridge Inn stated that the sales community would like to see a high level of expertise in group sales at the top of the organizational scale. Dave Spence representing the Top of the Village appreciates the commitment and the work put into the organizational meetings to date. The lodging community can see the benefit of all lodging paying in and the opportunities of the sales group working with the marketing staff but it should be two separate efforts and not added to the Marketing department. Don Schuster representing the Snowmass Club would like to reiterate comments from a year ago at this time. Appreciates Town Council taking a leadership roll and getting this on the ballot so the community as whole can benefit from this effort. 07-18-05Mins. Page 3 of 15 Council Member Mordkin speaking as the liaison to the Town Council with this effort attended all the meetings and appreciates the group effort from all the entities involved. Mordkin would suggest that the Town move forward with the ballot question for the lodging tax and continue working on other details of the proposal. Council Member Sparhawk asked some questions regarding the current civic assessment and the proposed lodging tax. For clarification Mordkin and Segrest stated the lodging tax would replace the civic assessment and be a village wide lodging tax paid by the guest. The ballot language will be very clear that it will be a separate fund of the Town and it will be managed, monitor and audited to ensure conformance to the specific ballot language. In response to a question asked by Council Member Boineau, Segrest explained that time share owners or guests using the owners time within a unit would not be charged the lodging tax. Boineau noted he is not in favor of government involvement with group sales and would also like to see someone with expertise in the group sales field. In conclusion Boineau stated he is favor of moving forward with the proposal. Council Member Wilkinson would like to see two separate boards for group sales and Marketing and Special Events and a more detailed operational plan and budget. Wilkinson is also in favor of a joint meeting with the Town Council and Marketing and Special Events boards. Town Council and the Marketing and Special Event Board will hold a Special Joint Meeting to discuss this proposal further. The tentative date will be Wednesday, August 3, 2005 at 8:30 a.m. This date may change depending on availability of the MSEB Members. Town Council directed staff to continue to work with the Lodging Community and the MSEB and to prepare ballot language for a lodging tax for group sales purposes. NOTE: Council took a break at 4:45 p.m. and reconvened at 5:02 p.m. Item No. 3: TOWN HALL AND RECREATION CENTER FINANCING PROPOSAL Town Manager Mike Segrest stated that in preparation of a the ballot language for the General Obligation Bonds to fund Town Hall and the Recreation Center representing Kirkpatrick Pettis Russ Caldwell, Finance Director Marianne Rakowski and one Member of the Financial Advisory Board Carolyn Purvis were all present to answer questions. Segrest stated that the first issue that need to have consensus on is the General Obligation Bond and refinancing of an existing bond and extending it for a longer period of time and still be affordable for the 07-18-05Mins. Page 4 of 15 community. The other decision that Town Council should consider today is presenting the financial funding in one or two separate questions. Staff along with Bond Council is suggesting two separate questions. The recommendation of the Financial Advisory Board and staff is the General Obligation Bond with the refinancing of current bond and extending for a longer period of time. It was consensus of the Town Council to have two separate general obligation bonds for the Town Hall and the Recreation Center. Council Member Arnie Mordkin clarified the statement that our taxes would not increase, that is not entirely true the mill levy will not go up, although the taxes will be extended so in reality taxes are being increased. Resident Bob Purvis suggested as part of the Town’s future annual budget process we se a standard for our comfort level for the percent of available General Obligation bonding and what percentage of a cushion would be acceptable. Seconded Home Owner Mel Blumenthal feels that this is the first opportunity that the public has had to look at the economics of the Town Hall. He would like the Town to look at an efficient way of financing without putting the total burden on the taxpayers. Resident Jeff Tippett referring to the second page of the communiqué in the packet which requests that Council consider the value of the land proposed to be used for Town Hall as a cost of the project when evaluating whether to move forward on the currently proposed site. When site evaluations were done they were impendent of costs. He referred to financial study done by the Town ‘s Finance Department proving that it was more efficient to build than pay rent and he believes that did not include the 6.8 million dollar cost of the point parcel and he believes the Town should redo the numbers. Council Member Mordkin reviewed the process and number of times that the Town Hall Site has been discussed openly in many meeting and forums for Draw/Point Site. Resident Bob Purvis suggested that a community outreach program be developed and the Town Council share the options and the logic used in choosing the Draw/Point Site. He also stated he feels that the public should be asked for their input on how the Town can effectively address the issue prior to the scheduled forum. Purvis agreed with Mr. Tippett regarding additional economical analysis looking at the cost side of the alternative including the land indication it is true we will own the land if we keep and own it for twenty year it is ours and we will get that economical analysis term that is called terminal value, draw it back into the project, convert it into dollars of the day, and that will tell you what the difference would be of holding the property and realizing that the 07-18-05Mins. Page 5 of 15 appreciated gains later versus selling it and having the money right now. He stated a dollar now is a lot different than a dollar in twenty years. Resident Rick Griffin commented on the Public Comment procedure at Public Forums and disagreed with the process and stated it is much easier to discuss particular items at the table in the Town Council Meetings. He feels that the Public has not had sufficient time to comment on the location of the Town Hall. He commented on the cost allocation of employee housing and asked why the Town does not apply this to the recreation center and Town hall. Finally he stated the pool can still be started this year without choosing the location of the Town Hall, these are separate bond issues. Second Homeowner Mel Blumenthal does not feel the community has not had the opportunity to talk about the economical analysis of the different locations of Town Hall. The Public is going to question the ballot question due to location. Resident Jeff Tippett is in disagreement with the characterization by Town Manager Mike Segrest and the Mayor Mercatoris regarding the piece of land traded with the Skico for the Point site. He resents the fact that the Point Site has been characterized as falling in the Town’s lap. It has, and it will continue to cost the taxpayers money. He stated that this is a 12 million dollar project and not a 4.5 million dollar project and this should be portrayed to the public. Town Council consensus was to move forward with the Town Hall and Recreation Center ballot language for the November 1, 2005 Election and to continue meeting with the public regarding the location of Town Hall. Town Hall, Recreation Center and Group Sales will be discussed at a Community Forum th located at the Fairway Center, July 27, 2005. th Resident Bob Purvis asked that the format for the July 27 forum included how the Town Council got to where they are today, the alternatives that have been considered, economic model and comparing these alternatives the Town Council has come to this discussion. Caldwell will have some financing scenarios prepared for the Community Forum on July 27, 2005. NOTE: Council took a break at 6:15 p.m. and reconvened at 6:30 p.m. Item No. 4: PUBLIC NON-AGENDA ITEMS (5-Minute Time Limit) There were no Public Non-Agenda Items for discussion. Item No. 5: COUNCIL UPDATES Community Forum 07-18-05Mins. Page 6 of 15 Mayor Mercatoris announced that the Town of Snowmass Village is hosting a th Community Forum on July 27, 2005 in the Fairway Center at 5:30 p.m. The topics for discussion will be the Town Hall, Recreation Center and Group Sales. Land Donation Mayor Mercatoris read a letter from Norm Perlmutter in regards to a land donation to the Town of Snowmass Village of 137acre parcel of land adjacent to the Divide Sub-Division that makes up part of the Campgrounds Ski Area. This land has been donated by Lot 16 LLC a Delaware Limited Liability Company. Item No. 9: FIRST READING – ORDINANCE NO. 14, SERIES OF 2005 – DEVELOPMENT ON 30% SLOPES FIRST READING CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE CONCERNING DEVELOPMENT WITHIN AREAS CONTAINING THIRTY PERCENT (30%) SLOPES ON LOT 36, PARCEL G – THE PINES, EAST VILLAGE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT Planner Bob Nevins made the recommendation to determine whether the procedure and requirements set forth in Section 16A-4-50 (d) (4) of the Municipal Code have been satisfied concerning development within areas containing thirty (30%) slopes on Lot 36, the Pines; and grant first reading approval. There being no further discussion, Council Member Sparhawk made a motion to approve First Reading of Ordinance No. 14, Series of 2005, seconded by Council Member Wilkinson. The motion was approved by a vote of 4 in favor to 1 opposed. Council Member Mordkin was opposed. Item No. 6: RESOLUTION NO. 28, SERIES OF 2005 – POOL SUBMISSION DEFERRALS CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION GRANTING DEFERRAL OF CERTAIN SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS FOR THE REZONING TO ‘RECREATION’ AND THE SPECIAL REVIEW APPLICATION FOR THE TOWN POOL PROJECT Planning Director Chris Conrad recommended approval of this Resolution. There being no further discussion, Council Member Mordkin made a motion to approve Resolution No. 28, Series of 2005, seconded by Council Member Wilkinson. The motion was approved by a vote of 5 in favor to 0 opposed. Item No. 7: RESOLUTION NO. 29, SERIES OF 2005 – NATIONAL INCIDENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE ADOPTION OF THE NATIONAL INCIDENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM (NIMS) FOR THE TOWN OF SNOWMASS VILLAGE 07-18-05Mins. Page 7 of 15 Chief of Police Art Smythe explained this Resolution bring the Town up to Federal Standards and allows the Town to be eligible for State and Federal funding for emergency and new projects. There being no further discussion, Council Member Boineau made a motion to approve Resolution No. 28, Series of 2005, seconded by Council Member Mordkin. The motion was approved by a vote of 5 in favor to 0 opposed. Item No. 8: FIRST READING - ORDINANCE NO. 11, SERIES OF 2005 – SNOWMASS CHAPEL FIRST READING CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE CONCERNING THE PORTION OF THE SNOWMASS CHAPEL PRELIMINARY PLAN RELATED TO ARCHITECTURE, MASS, SCALE AND HEIGHT VARIATION ISSUES th Planning Director Chris Conrad noted that on June 20 2005, the Town Council adopted Resolution No. 27, Series of 2005 referring items to the Planning Commission requesting that they provide specific recommendations regarding the height, mass and scale variations. The Planning Commission responded to the Town Council‘s request in Planning Commission Resolution No. 9, Series of 2005 that has been provided for you in the packet. After much discussion and debate, the Planning Commission recommends approval of the variations with conditions. Council Member Mordkin expressed to the members of the Public that the approval of this Ordinance has nothing to do with the preliminary plan final approval. There are other issues that will need to be addressed within this application such as traffic and transportation. Architect Larry Yaw addressed height, mass, scale and architecture character and thanked Town Council for addressing these issues before completion of preliminary plan. There are also related benefits to the fund raising process. Yaw reviewed the process of the last three years to date noting that the Chapel was not before Town Council during the Base Village review. During Sketch Plan the physical design was different but the core purpose of the Chapel is a place of worship but an equal proposition the building will be a community concert hall, community service space and community program space. Yaw reviewed the evolution of the building and the Town Council suggestions and comments regarding elevations, stone, timber and height that have been incorporated. He noted that the building has been designed to complement and enhance the campus of existing buildings. Yaw discussed square footage, height, building design, site planning, architecture and the distance to neighboring buildings. In summary he stated the approval of project must take 07-18-05Mins. Page 8 of 15 into account the long term future of Snowmass Village and the long term benefits the project will bring to this community. NOTE: Mayor Mercatoris took Public Comment at this time. Edgell Pyles Senoir Chaplin of the Snowmass Chapel stated that he appreciates your time and asks for your positive approval of this project. In 1995 the Chapel created a Master Plan that anticipated this sanctuary. Then process was then expanded in 1999 by appointing an organ search committee. It was after this process that a family underwriter donated the Fisk organ. This is only a piece of the program we also provide ministry and responding to social and spiritual needs of the community as we see them. He stated he believes this building will serve the needs of the community for years to come. Pyles introduced Paul Shore Chairman of the Sanctuary Council Paul Shor Chairman of the Snowmass Chapel Sanctuary Council and resident of Snowmass Village asking the Town Council to see our vision of creating a world class Chapel and a world class performing arts center. Over the last several years we have been known to collaborate with the Aspen Music Festival and have had performers during Sunday worship. The Aspen Music Festival has a need for organ, choral and string performance centers. We have an opportunity to bring the Aspen Music Festival to Snowmass so people do not have to drive to Aspen. He stated he would now like to talk about funding their objective is to raise 10 million dollars to date we have raised 6.2 million. Included in this number is and endowment for the Senior Minister and for a Music Director. He encouraged a favorable consideration and thanked Town Council for their time. Mike Waters Snowmass Village Resident and Seasons Four homeowner is not opposed to enabling the Chapel to increase its seating capacity and attendance or is he opposed to enabling the Chapel to better and expanded community services but strongly opposed to mass and scale and that this is out of character and against the guidelines of the Comprehensive Plan. View simulations that were asked for by Town Council were taken from his unit. He suggested this building is boarding on being a mountain itself. He stated that if you have a design that needs to brake up the scale then maybe the scale is not right. He also noted that Music Festival and School does not have organists at their school and does not require this mass and scale. The reason for this mass and scale is all surrounding a fisk organ. In conclusion this structure has an overwhelming presences. Waters submitted to the Town Clerk for the record a petition signed by 45 residents of Seasons Four against this application. As a cautionary note he has heard comments from people who looked at the view simulations stating “Wow I never imagined it was that big” and other comments from people stating “well they passed Base Village so what’s the use”. Jeannie Woods Administrative Director of the Snowmass Chapel would like to submit to the Town Clerk for the record petitions that has over 430 signatures in favor of the new sanctuary. 07-18-05Mins. Page 9 of 15 Ian Long Snowmass Village resident and Horse Ranch homeowner commented on the discussion of the Chapel being focal point and stated that the mountains are his focal point. If he had wanted tall buildings all around he would move to Vail. As a contractor he is required to build within constraints and still comes up with great product. He thinks they mean well but need to build it smaller and not block views. James Munn 190 Aspen Way Second Home Owner has owned property in Snowmass Village for approximately 43 years and has contributed a lot to this community and the community has contributed to his family. He has spent 11 years as a Mayor or Council Member in another city and appreciates the patient the Council has had this evening. He stated the beauty is in the eye of the beholder, which is obvious by the comments this evening. During the years he was a Mayor and Council Member he was able to attend a conference entitled “Making Cities Livable”. What makes a city livable to make people want to stay live and visit it. People, places and things make cities livable. One thread that ran through each city was people, places and things and a church that occupies the center of the city. We have the chance and the opportunity to have this in Snowmass Village. The request you have before you has been modified several times and he respectfully ask all these things are taken in to consideration when voting on this proposal. Ann Vorhes Snowmass Village resident living in Meadow Ranch, she feel that Base Village has set precedence and now all developments will come in over the limits. I consider my self a spiritual person but we do not need a building this size we have the Mountains. She stated that one more time she feels the Town Council is not following the guidelines that at set in place and she needed to be here to ask that the view of the mountain not be hurt. Greg Long Snowmass Village resident and owner of a Blue Roof (Snowmass Villas) has not personally ever been in the Snowmass Chapel except to vote. He is opposing this because it is a big big building and it goes against all your codes and those are the rules Town Council is supposed to follow. There are variations but he doesn’t feel the applicant meets any of these circumstances. In previous meeting Edgel has admitted that the view are gone, and George Huggins at Planning Commission said the view from the Blue Roofs are gone. The Town was named after the Mountain it is our only landmark and the comprehensive plans asked that you do not interrupt any view planes of the mountain. The people that use this Chapel amount to less than 10 per cent of the permanent population of Snowmass Village the other 90 percent are out enjoying the mountain and enjoying the views. Please take this into consideration and don’t take away the views. David Bork has lived in the Valley for 18 years; and has been involved in the Snowmass Chapel the entire time, he is here to address the music. Music speaks to the spirit and sole of each and every one of us. Music cannot speak for 07-18-05Mins. Page 10 of 15 its self so he will speak for it. The Snowmass Chapel board created a plan to create a place of worship that would also be a venue for musical performance for Snowmass. The fisk organ was not motivation for the size of the building but was selected to be part of this building and to create a program that would be extraordinary in every sense. The fisk organ is one of the finest available and the tend to be very large. It is found in many musical settings, Overland Collage, Philadelphia Symphony and many others. When you have a fine instrument you must have a musician that can be assured to maximize the instrument it self. There will be an endowed chair of music to direct the program which will include 6 to 10 concerts a year live on PBS from Snowmass Village, Colorado which will certainly bring notoriety to our Community. We envision a young organists competition which there are none that we know of. There is also and enormous repertoire of music that is a combination of organ and other instrumentation that is not played today in this Valley because there is not a place to play it. The Aspen Music Festival will be happy to have this venue and imagine the same people at Harris Hall here in Snowmass Village. This structure has to be acoustically receptive to a wide range of music not just the organ. Its is about the venue that is really important, I feel it only fare to tell you the years ahead for me are short but look around the room most people will not be around in 25 years from now and none of us will be here in 50 years but there will be coming here and if we lay the foundation we will be doing something important. He urges Town Council to take the long view and the long-term best interest. He stated many great building and the fact that the Tower over there sounding to be sure its about the spirit of we human beings. Colleen Doyle second homeowner owning a Wood bridge Unit in Snowmass Village and has been coming to Snowmass Village for 30 years and feels there is a spirit here in Snowmass Village that is no where else. Let everyone else have these large buildings not Snowmass Village. She finds it ironic that it might be Chapel that takes the spirit of this Village away. Brian Olson resident and homeowner at Fairway Three thinks that this structure is made to over power the natural environment and does not work with it. The Chapel chooses this size organ to begin with and if they had chosen a smaller organ we wouldn’t be having this discussion today. I personally went around to all the homeowners in Fairway three and out of 30 units I received 23 signatures from homeowners opposed to the plan and that information is in your packet. None of the homeowners are directly affected by the Chapel especially views, but the neighborhood is. We are a community that spends a lot of time outside and all the parks and trails that Town Council has created worked so hard to protect and build will be adversely affected by a huge structure and overshadow the natural environment we worked so hard to obtain. Anderson Ranch is the jewel of the community and representative of our history in Snowmass Village and to put this building on top of it certainly goes against the Town Code and the Comprehensive Plan and it does not fit within the existing uses. 07-18-05Mins. Page 11 of 15 Tom Yokum resident and homeowner on Fairway Drive suggested a site walk to monitor the views. This is great opportunity for the community and the architecture is so great. His family is in favor of this application and thinks the compromises made to date are more than fair. Mel Blumenthal second homeowner from the Enclave is concerned about the location of the building. It appears by the information presented the height, mass and scale is being pushed by the size of the organ. It that is the case the same process that was used for Base Village applies here with community benefit. He is not sure if the size and location is justified by the benefit of the organ, which it supposed to draw a lot of people to Snowmass Village. The organ is be used to market the Chapel. Linda Rutland second homeowners for 20 years and coming for 30 years when first arriving in Snowmass Village we could not find a church. The church is very important to us and the programs are equally important. This Chapel will allow us to continue providing better programs in the years to come. We need the cultural benefits and the spiritual benefits that we that we will find in this Chapel and that we find everywhere else in this Valley. Chonnie Ze Jacobson homeowner of two units in Seasons Four and stated we all love our community and our views. The mountains are our sanctuary and please don’t take them away. The building is out of scale and out of character for that location. It absolutely overwhelms the surroundings and it does not follow the code or the comprehensive plan. The code states new buildings should not be perceived as monumental buildings, anyone who looks at the simulation out her window could not tell her this is a monumental building. New buildings are supposed to be in relation to scale of buildings in the surrounding areas. The codes also reads should not be substantially and adversely effected neighbors and invited Town Council to come to the neighborhood to the massive scale. A.D. Fuller came to Snowmass in 1970 and for the past 25 years has lived on Snowmass Creek and came tonight to lend support to the construction of the new Chapel. I am from New England where the steeples of the churches were focal points and a good way to find your way home from out at sea. I think it is great and hope you pass it and it will may our town all that much better. Bill Swaim has been in Snowmass Village the last 6 years and agrees this chapel will be a great asset to this town and resort community. I feel this community is growing and think the Chapel will be a great highlight to the community and ask that you support it. Robin Riggs Snowmass Village resident and homeowner ask if her letter is in the packet. She just wanted to point out the height variations are being asked for the organ. In the very beginning of the process the allowable height was known and the designers were asked if the view of the neighbors were taken in to 07-18-05Mins. Page 12 of 15 consideration and the response was no. Everyone one knows how she feels about that, and it is in the Public Record she is good. Keith Long Snowmass Village resident stated a couple of things come to mind the first the building being to big but also the “oh well” way of life and it is up to Town Council to draw the line somewhere. The Chapel has a lot of programs and these programs will continue without this big of a building. Marion Garrett Snowmass Village resident for 25 years and live at 114 Rodeo Road and would like to remind Town Council about the legacy that will remain for many years to come for our children and grand children and the weddings and baptisms for years to come. Ann Vorhes Snowmass Village resident living in Meadow Ranch, noted that she has performed in Harris Hall and stated that 80 percent of Harris Hall is under ground so if this is acoustically correct it does not need to be 75 fee in the air. Randy Woods stated that a church is a little different that a regular building and a structure such as a church should not lead to building being bigger and bigger. Joe Farrell a full time resident in Snowmass Village for 18 years and would like to say Mr. Mayor I concur. Robert Vale lives on Faraway Road, ask that the Town Council give the Chapel a fair consideration. Mike Waters Snowmass Village Resident and Seasons Four homeowner would like to ask a question what is the crane in place for, the response is was for soils testing. He compared the view simulation and the height of the crane is actually the height of the building. He also stated that the first “straw” vote of the Planning Commission the vote was 3 to 0 against the approval of the height variation. He noted that the Planning Commission staff recommends denial at the next Planning Commission Meeting. CB Fisk organ headquarters is located Laster MA and they have the small version in their church and is suits them just fine. When talking mass the only other structure that comes to mind is the Music Tent and when at half capacity sounds bad. Chonnie Ze Jacobson homeowner of two units in Seasons Four approached gentlemen with a petition for the Snowmass Chapel and asked for view simulations or written information which he had none and the information he gave on the roofline and steeple height was incorrect. They have a great forum for signing petitions but they should have the correct information. A gentleman who did not identify himself asked if the view being discussed by the homeowners is the same as the applicant present view planes. Mayor Mercatoris noted we would get to that in the staff and applicant discussion. 07-18-05Mins. Page 13 of 15 Shawn Rios a Snowmass Village resident and homeowner at Fairway Three wanted to state that views are not obstructed until you walk out of your unit and she would question this being a focal point reflects the majority of our community. Darrell Fee owns a Top of the Village and a home on Deer Ridge Lane when he built these had great view and then people built houses around him and he had a different view. Now its not the best view but still good views. I encourage you to approve it. Greg Long referred to the worlds largest organ with over 8,000 pipes has been built in a building smaller than what is being proposed. Chris Conrad Planning Director clarified there was a Planning Commission Meeting on June 13, 2005 and a straw vote did occur with the alternates and there was another meeting July 6, 2005 and the Planning department provided a resolution recommending denial and a resolution recommending approval and a specific recommendation was not provided to the Planning Commission. Council Member Boineau stated he is in favor of this project. Council Member Wilkinson would like to see this project moved to Point/Draw site versus the current location. He also stated that the proposed building is two and half times the size of the current building. Council Member Mordkin stated that whether he likes it or not is not the issue, does is block views, that is not issue. The question here and the way the code is written is the community willing to have this type of structure and allow a variance to build. There are still other issues that will need to be discussed i.e. traffic. Council Member Sparhawk wants to see a Chapel that works for this community. She would be interested in knowing how much time and money has gone in to this project to date. Sparhawk asked if the building could be lowered in to the ground more and could we go down to the next size organ. Larry Yaw responded the difference in size of a pipe organ does not make the difference is the reverberation time the air coming through the pipes. Reverberation times and acoustics have been studied over and over again and what has been proposed is the best fit. Doug Dotson responded to the question of the lowering the building by 10 feet. There are some limitations there are two crossings of a stream and if we keep pushing this down into the dirt it creates two problems the handicap accessibility and emergency vehicle access. The other thing being created is drainage problems on the east and north with this site. Dotson noted also on the east side there is a sewer line that would have to be totally redesigned. In response to a question by Council Member Wilkinson, Mayor Mercatoris stated that the Chapel is not interested in a land trade for the Point/ Draw site. Staff 07-18-05Mins. Page 14 of 15 also informed the Mayor that the total Chapel site is approximately 40,000 sq. ft., which is very large for the Point/Draw site. Mayor Mercatoris also stated he has walked the neighboring properties and admits there are adversely impacted views in the Season Four complex. He feels the sustainable economic development would be the music hall and the organ and other concert venues and will vote in favor of this ordinance. There being no further discussion, Council Member Boineau made a motion to approve First Reading of Ordinance No. 11, Series of 2005, seconded by Council Member Sparhawk. Council Member Mordkin asked that language starting on page 28 in the packet line 238 through 254 be deleted which refers to the process the applicant will follow to final and also language which has to do with a bus shelter. These items will be discussed during the Planning Commission review. Council Member Mordkin made a motion to approve as amended seconded by Council Member Sparhawk. The motion to approve the amendment was approved by a vote of 5 in favor to 0 opposed. The motion to approve Ordinance No. 11, at first reading was approved by a vote of 4 in favor to 1 opposed. Council Member Wilkinson was opposed. Mayor Mercatoris explained the difference between a Resolution and Ordinance to and the process of approval to resident Robin Riggs. Item No. 10: APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FOR 05-02-05 AND 05-23- 05 There being no further discussion, Council Member Mordkin made a motion to approve the Meeting Minutes for May 2, 2005 and May 23, 2005, seconded by Council Member Wilkinson. The motion was approved by a vote of 5 in favor to 0 opposed. Item No. 11: COMMITTEE REPORTS/CALENDARS and Item No. 5: COUNCIL UPDATES MSEB Joint Meeting th Town Council consensus was a tentative date of August 8 with a time to be determined by the Market and Special Events Board. Chairlifts in Snowmass Village Council Member Wilkinson noted that the chairlift carried over 800 people last Saturday. This is a great amenity and should be continued in the future. 07-18-05Mins. Page 15 of 15 Art Walk Funding Raising There will be a funding raising in the near future and more information at a future date. Thistle Council Member Mordkin asked that the Town be sure to abate our thistle through out the Town. At 9:38 P.M. there being no further discussion, Council Member Mordkin made a motion to convene to Executive Session, seconded by Council Member Sparhawk. The motion was approved by a vote of 5 in favor to 0 opposed. Item No. 12: EXECUTIVE SESSION Colorado revised Statutes 24-6-402 (4) (a) - Snowmass Village Municipal Code Chapter 2, Article III, - Section 2-45 (c) (1) The purchase, acquisition, lease, transfer or sale of any real, personal or other property interest. AT 9:44 p.m. Council Member Mercatoris made a motion to reconvene to the Regular Meeting, seconded by Council Member Wilkinson. The motion was approved by a vote of 5 in favor to 0 opposed. Item No. 13: ADJOURNMENT There being no further discussion, Council Member Mordkin made a motion to adjourn the Regular Meeting, seconded by Council Member Wilkinson. The motion was approved by a vote of 5 in favor to 0 opposed. The Meeting adjourned 9:45 p.m. This set of Meeting Minutes was approved by Town Council during a meeting held on September 19, 2005.